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#1 jTexans

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:15 PM

Congrats to Glavine and Maddux. 

 

Biggio, so close!  Damn it. 

 

If Frank Thomas made it, Bagwell should have gone too.  

 

 

 

 



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 04:06 PM

If I had to choose one as a GM I'd take Thomas, but Bags deserves it too.  Biggio must be pissed missing by so little



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 04:22 PM

Its cool to see someone you watched play Ball all through High School make it to the Hall. 

 

Awesome to see Glavine, Maddux and Thomas get in.



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 05:13 PM

How much did Biggio miss by? Because I know there was one asshole writer that turned in a blank ballot.



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:40 PM

I think I heard he missed by 2 votes



#6 Bengrimm

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:57 AM

Player Votes Pct.

Greg Maddux 555 97.2

Tom Glavine 525 91.9

Frank Thomas 478 83.7

Craig Biggio 427 74.8

Mike Piazza 355 62.2

Jack Morris* 351 61.5

Jeff Bagwell* 310 54.3

Tim Raines* 263 46.1

Roger Clemens* 202 35.4

Barry Bonds* 198 34.7

Lee Smith* 171 29.9

Curt Schilling* 167 29.2

Edgar Martinez* 144 25.2

Alan Trammell* 119 20.8

Mike Mussina 116 20.3

Jeff Kent 87 15.2

Fred McGriff* 67 11.7

Mark McGwire* 63 11.0

Larry Walker* 58 10.2

Don Mattingly* 47 8.2

Sammy Sosa* 41 7.2

Rafael Palmeiro* 25 4.4

* = lost votes from previous year

Others receiving votes: Moises Alou, 6; Hideo Nomo, 6; Luis Gonzalez, 5; Eric Gagne, 2; J.T. Snow, 2; Armando Benitez, 1; Jacque Jones, 1; Kenny Rogers, 1.

 

Look at the drop in voting for all the steroids guys!  I really did not expect this.  Also very shocked to see Palmeiro missed out on the 5% he needed to remain on the ballot!  Let's hope that Jack Morris get's the credit he deserves by the Expansion Era Committee. 

 

I find the Dan LeBatard controversy on him giving him vote to Deadspin quite amusing.  According to ESPN the votes sumitted were Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, Edgar Martinez, Jeff Bagwell, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds and Curt Schilling. Hard to argue that any of them didn't deserve a vote as all received enough votes to remain on future ballots and three ultimately made the cut to be elected.  I'd love to know who seriously voted for JT Snow, Armando Benitez, Jacque Jones, and Kenny Rogers.  Those knuckleheads really no longer deserve voting privileges.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 06:23 PM

Dan LeBatard is my new hero. What he did was in no way wrong, other then the Pompus asses, with the Holier than now attitude, that are the Hall of Fame commitee voters actually are going to get unwanted attention from this. No one would have really known that people like Jones, Gagne, Benitez or Rogers got votes, but now every voter is going to have to answer to that shit.



#8 Razor

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 07:58 PM

Who voted for JT Snow



#9 Bengrimm

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:34 PM

Who voted for JT Snow

 

Wish I knew?

 

2 votes for a .268 career BA with 189 Home Runs and 877 RBIs :ray:



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:37 PM

Who voted for JT Snow

 

Or Armando Benitez for that matter



#11 denny_32

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 07:29 AM

  :ray:

 

Nah, that was the guy that voted for Kenny Rogers.  He thought he was voting for some fried chicken.



#12 Bengrimm

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 11:36 AM

Nah, that was the guy that voted for Kenny Rogers.  He thought he was voting for some fried chicken.

 

On further thought, I kind of understand the Kenny Rogers vote. I'm guessing it was a nod to his having thrown a perfect game?



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 02:53 PM

Craig Biggio is overrated. He was a very good 2B but IMHO not even close to a HOFer.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:19 AM

Craig Biggio is overrated. He was a very good 2B but IMHO not even close to a HOFer.

 

 

His stats compare well with Ryne Sandberg and Robbie Alomar:

 

Alomar =  .300 BA  2724 hits 210 HRs 1134 RBIs 474 SB  10 gold gloves  17 seasons

Sandberg = .285 BA  2386 hits  282 HRs  1061 RBIs  344 SB  8 gold gloves  1 MVP  16 seasons

Biggio = .281 BA  3080 hits  291 HR  1175 RBI  414 SB  4 gold gloves  20 seasons

 

You could argue that Biggio needed more seasons and games to accumulate his stats, but he'd get my vote.



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:13 PM

Craig Biggio is overrated. He was a very good 2B but IMHO not even close to a HOFer.

 

I second this opinion. I'd be vilified here (Texas) for this opinion, but I never thought of Biggio as a "game changer" or "difference maker." I realize the BHoF, and MLB itself for that matter, is all about the numbers and that Biggio's numbers rank right up there. I get that. I guess for me it comes down to one basic thing; I like HoFers to be no-brainer discussions. If I have to stop and think about whether or not a player belongs in the HoF, then he's not a HoFer, and Biggio gives me cause for pause :)


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:35 PM

His stats compare well with Ryne Sandberg and Robbie Alomar:

 

Alomar =  .300 BA  2724 hits 210 HRs 1134 RBIs 474 SB  10 gold gloves  17 seasons

Sandberg = .285 BA  2386 hits  282 HRs  1061 RBIs  344 SB  8 gold gloves  1 MVP  16 seasons

Biggio = .281 BA  3080 hits  291 HR  1175 RBI  414 SB  4 gold gloves  20 seasons

 

You could argue that Biggio needed more seasons and games to accumulate his stats, but he'd get my vote.

I would argue that Biggio took a lot longer to accumulate those stats. He had about 700 more games & 3300 more plate appearances than Sandberg, and 500+ more games & 2100 more plate appearances than Alomar. Biggio also came up small in his few playoff series with a .234 career postseason BA. I also use the eye test when it comes to evaluating sports players. Biggio never stood out to me when he played. He was a very good 2B that had a 20 year career. I think there should only be the elite of the elite in any HOF. Biggio doesn't come close to being elite for me. I wouldn't even say he was the best 2B in the game during his playing days. 


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#17 Ray

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 07:34 PM

Until they prevent retards from voting, the HOF is bullshit, imo.

 

It was proven the year Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn were not unanimous selectins and proven again this year with any of these guys even getting one vote.

 

Moises Alou, 6; Hideo Nomo, 6; Luis Gonzalez, 5; Eric Gagne, 2; J.T. Snow, 2; Armando Benitez, 1; Jacque Jones, 1; Kenny Rogers, 1.

 


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#18 Ray

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 07:35 PM

oh...as for Biggio, put me in the camp that says he was an above average player but not HOF worthy.


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